10 ENGINEERS, LAND SURVEYORS AND GEOLOGISTS

1 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 1 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA 1 DEPARTMENT OF STATE 2 BUREAU OF professional AND OCCUPATIONAL AFFAIRS 3 4 F I N A L M I N U T E S 5 6 MEETING OF: 7 8 STATE REGISTRATION BOARD FOR professional 9 ENGINEERS, LAND SURVEYORS AND GEOLOGISTS 10 11 TIME: 9:38 12 13 PENNSYLVANIA DEPARTMENT OF STATE 14 Board Room C 15 One Penn Center 16 2601 North Third Street 17 Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110 18 19 20 September 13, 2017 21 22 23 24 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 2 State Registration Board for professional 1 Engineers, Land SURVEYORS and GEOLOGISTS 2 September 13, 2017 3 4 BOARD MEMBERS: 5 6 Michael F. Brinkash, PLS 7 Kathryn Waters, Esquire, Deputy Commissioner of 8 professional and Occupational Affairs 9 Elizabeth A.

2 Catania, PE, Vice President 10 Robert E. Garlitz, PLS - Absent 11 Thomas D. Gillespie, PG - Absent 12 Ronald Jumper Jr., Public Member 13 Robert Kudlawiec, PE 14 David Pennoni, PE 15 Carol Sides, Public Member 16 Francis J. Stanton Jr., PE 17 James J. Szalankiewicz, PE, PLS 18 Theodore Tesler, PG, President 19 20 21 BUREAU PERSONNEL: 22 23 Juan Ruiz, Esquire, Board Counsel 24 Ray Michalowski, Esquire, Board Prosecution Liaison 25 Robert Armour, Esquire, Board Prosecutor 26 Terrie Kocher, Interim Board Administrator 27 28 29 ALSO PRESENT: 30 31 Ted Mowatt, PE/PLS, PSLS 32 John G. Fuehrer II, Chair, PSLS Education Committee, 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 3 ** 1 State Registration Board for professional 2 Engineers, Land SURVEYORS and GEOLOGISTS 3 September 13, 2017 4 ** 5 The regularly scheduled meeting of the State 6 Registration Board for professional Engineers, Land 7 SURVEYORS and GEOLOGISTS was held on Wednesday, 8 September 13, 2017.

3 Theodore Tesler, PG, President, 9 called the meeting to order at 9:38 Roll call 10 was taken. Kathryn Waters, Deputy Commissioner, and 11 Elizabeth A. Catania, PE, Vice President, were not 12 present at the commencement of the meeting. A quorum 13 was noted to be present. 14 ** 15 Approval of Minutes of the July 12, 2017 meeting 16 PRESIDENT TESLER: 17 The Chair will entertain a motion to 18 approve the minutes from the July 12th 19 meeting. 20 MR. STANTON: 21 So moved. 22 PRESIDENT TESLER: 23 I have a motion. 24 MR. SZALANKIEWICZ: 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 4 Second. 1 PRESIDENT TESLER: 2 Seconded by Jim Szalankiewiz. Do we 3 have any discussion or revisions to the 4 minutes? Hearing none, I'll ask for a 5 roll call vote.

4 All those in favor of 6 approving the Minutes, say aye? Any 7 dissent? Abstain? Pennoni. We do have 8 an abstention. The Minutes are 9 approved. 10 [The motion carried. Mr. Pennoni abstained from 11 voting on the motion.] 12 ** 13 Acknowledge Public 14 [President Tesler requested the public in attendance 15 to identify themselves as well as the nature of their 16 business before the Board.] 17 ** 18 Report of Board President No Report 19 ** 20 Report of Interim Board Administrator 21 [Terrie Kocher, Interim Board Administrator, discussed 22 challenges with the renewal process relating to phone 23 calls and emails. She will work with the information 24 technology (IT) department to resolve the issues as 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 5 soon as possible.]

5 1 President Tesler welcomed Ms. Kocher back.] 2 ** 3 Report of Prosecutorial Division 4 [Robert Armour, Esquire, Board Prosecutor, presented a 5 Consent Agreement for File No. 17-47-00172.] 6 ** 7 [Kathryn Waters, Deputy Commissioner, entered the 8 meeting at 9:48 ] 9 ** 10 [Elizabeth Catania, PE, Vice President, entered the 11 meeting at 9:49 ] 12 ** 13 [Juan Ruiz, Esquire, Board Counsel, noted the 14 Regulatory Case Status Report for the Board's review. 15 President Tesler expressed his concerns that the 16 status of cases does not provided the same level of 17 detail as in the past, but finds the report fairly 18 thorough and anonymized. 19 Mr. Ruiz and Mr. Michalowski will work together 20 to assure there are not many "stale" cases. 21 Mr. Michalowski stated the reports are generated 22 from the old system, which has limitations.

6 With the 23 new PALS system, the reports will be customized for 24 each Board. He further explained the review process 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 6 for deciding on how to proceed with a case.] 1 ** 2 Report of Board Counsel 3 [Juan Ruiz, Esquire, Board Counsel, noted an 4 Adjudication and Order for deliberation during 5 Executive Session. He also noted a hearing scheduled 6 for 10:30 ] 7 ** 8 [Kathryn Waters, Deputy Commissioner, exited the 9 meeting at 9:58 ] 10 ** 11 Report of Regulatory Counsel 12 [Juan Ruiz, Esquire, on behalf of Thomas Blackburn, 13 Esquire, Regulatory Counsel, noted that Mr. Blackburn 14 attended the (IRRC) Independent Regulatory Review 15 Commission meeting in August. The fee regulation was 16 passed and is awaiting approval by the Attorney 17 General s Office, which will go into effect the next 18 renewal cycle.

7 19 Mr. Ruiz had no update regarding the digital seal 20 regulations. 21 Ms. Catania addressed changing technology and 22 suggested obtaining material from the National Council 23 of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying (NCEES) for 24 further discussion. 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 7 Ms. Catania also updated the Board by noting that 1 computer-based tests will be available 365 days a year 2 starting in January 2018. She also noted an annual 3 nuclear PE exam will be available in October 2018. It 4 was noted that the new NCEES system glitches have been 5 corrected. 6 Ms. Catania announced that Jim Purcell from New 7 Jersey was elected as the NCEES President-Elect and 8 Tim Rickborn as the Treasurer. 9 Ms. Catania discussed an alternative pathway to 10 the bachelor or master's Plus 30 position paper.

8 She 11 stated a task force was formed to clarify the B+30 12 requirement by developing language for the Model Law 13 and Model Rules and creating guidelines for easier 14 implementation by NCEES Member Boards. 15 Ms. Catania encouraged members to attend the next 16 NCEES Annual meeting scheduled for August 15-18, 2018, 17 in Scottsdale, Arizona, or the next NCEES Zone meeting 18 scheduled for May 17-19, 2018, in Portland, Maine.] 19 ** 20 Report of Deputy Commissioner No Report 21 ** 22 [Kathryn Waters, Deputy Commissioner, entered the 23 meeting at 10:01 ] 24 ** 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 8 Discussion Item 1 [Juan Ruiz, Esquire, Board Counsel, discussed the 2 Questionnaire for Thesis. Mr. Ruiz recommended that 3 Board members not answer the questions on the survey 4 due to opinion and/or legal advice.

9 ] 5 ** 6 Correspondence 7 [President Tesler referred to correspondence regarding 8 an unsuccessful candidate for NCEES treasurer, David 9 G. Mongan.] 10 ** 11 [Kathryn Waters, Deputy Commissioner, exited the 12 meeting at 10:11 ] 13 ** 14 [The Board recessed from 10:10 to 10:31 ] 15 ** 16 [The Board held a formal hearing in the matter of an 17 Application for Licensure as a professional Engineer 18 by Reciprocity of Himanshu Anand Goyal, File No. 19 17-47-07204, Docket No. 1223-47-17, from 10:31 20 until 11:01 ] 21 ** 22 [Pursuant to Section 708(a)(5) of the Sunshine Act, at 23 11:01 the Board entered into Executive Session 24 with Juan Ruiz, Esquire, Board Counsel, for the 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 9 purpose of conducting quasi-judicial deliberations and 1 attorney/client consultations.

10 The Board returned to 2 open session at 11:51 ] 3 ** 4 MOTIONS 5 MR. RUIZ: 6 The Board was just in Executive Session 7 conducting quasi-judicial deliberations 8 on a number of matters currently pending 9 before the Board. 10 Is there a motion to approve the 11 Consent Agreement and Order at File No. 12 17-47-00172? 13 MR. BRINKASH: 14 So moved. 15 MR. PENNONI: 16 Second. 17 PRESIDENT TESLER: 18 We have a motion and a second. All in 19 favor, say aye. Any dissent? 20 [The motion carried unanimously. The Respondent s 21 name is Ross Alan Stevens, PE.] 22 ** 23 MR. RUIZ: 24 Is there a motion to adopt the proposed 25 Sargent's Court Reporting Service, Inc. (814) 536-8908 10 Adjudication and Order in the case of 1 Raymond Prinkley, File No. 16-47-04940, 2 Docket No.