Wheels Used on John Deere Tractors - jd2cylservice.com

1 1 Gathering of the Green2006 Winter ConventionMarch 8 11 Moline, ILWheels used on john Deere TractorsHistoryDescriptionsPart and Casting NumbersApplicationsDuane LarsonKnoxville, TN2 NOTE added 3/2008 This workshop was an update of the one given in 2004. Some of the basic material is repeated at the beginning, later on is new Compiled a table of 238 Wheels Covers Waterloo Lettered Series No numbered series (yet) No Dubuque series (yet) wheel Properties Part number Casting number Description Size Type Application Model, year 4 Introduction Toooo many Wheels to cover today Tire and wheel history General wheel information Discuss wheel properties Rims Selected Wheels in detail Dual Wheels California Wheels Unusual Wheels Last 20-30 minutes for questions Drop-in opportunity this afternoon Illini Room 5 6 pm5 Acknowledgements and References Many, many people have provided information, Wheels to study, photos, references.

2 And encouragement Parts dealers Dave Cook Rob Detwiler Phil Miller Herb Nielsen Marlin Smith Greg Stephen Harlan Wilson Restoration Experts Cork Groth Phil Maria Paul and Michael Ostrander Melanie and Donnie Sharp john Boehm6 Acknowledgements and References Individuals Dan Allred Kelly Brosseth Bruce Keller Brandon Knapp Nick Kruse Dave Kuhl (Titan wheel ) Eric LaCruze Bill Lee (Curator, Beckman Archive, SDSU) Gene McKeen Wes Malcolm Joe Pacuit (Tire and Rim Association) Kent Pribil Dick Sundberg Len Wagner (Firestone) Paul Winter All those folks who have restored Tractors and displayed at EXPOs so I could study the Wheels !7 Acknowledgements and References Technical References john Deere Parts Books The earlier the better!

3 Tractor Digest Magazine The Unstyled Model A Wes Malcolm in depth look at the A john Deere Unstyled Letter Series and john Deere Styled Letter Series books J. R. Hobbs GREAT references Original john Deere Model A Rukes and Kraushaar decision records8 Acknowledgements and References john Deere Field Service Bulletins Deere Branch House Bulletins Deere & Webber 1936 1946 Branch House Price Lists Instruction and Parts Lists Owner s manuals to 1945 Tire company catalogs French & Hecht catalogs Advertising literature Farm Implement News publications Implement and Tractor publications Green Magazine Two-Cylinder Magazine Two-Cylinder EXPOs9 Outline of Talk Steel wheel usage Rubber Tire history Conventional and wide-base rims and tires Part and Casting numbers Comments on wheel types Front Wheels Reversible and

4 Non-reversible Heavy duty Examples of front wheel information10 Outline of Talk Rear Wheels Rim styles Dual Wheels California Wheels Questions NOTE: Use of Rubber Tires implies pneumatic (not hard rubber) tires unless otherwise Wheels Steel Wheels had long history Steam traction engines Early large farm Tractors Types used by john Deere Flat steel Skeleton Hard rubber tires attached to steel Wheels Bolt-on lugs for traction Huge variety of designs Schmeiser Grousers (lugs) Whole separate topic Available from the spoker D to the 83012 Why Did Rubber Replace Steel? Operator comfort Traction Higher speeds A, B 5thand 6thgears locked out with steel Use public roads Fuel economy More available horsepower13 Horsepower to Move Tractor in Loose Soil Allis Chalmers engineers determined hp necessary to move in loose soil:SpeedRubberSteel2 mph5 hp10 hp5 mph9 hp Unstyled A 3rdgear mph Max drawbar hp in 1stgear No wonder D&W branch didn t price B on skeleton steel in 35 and 36 price lists!

5 14 wheel and Rim Development for Rubber Tires Rubber tires needed a new wheel and rim French & Hecht worked with tire and tractor manufacturer s to develop wheel Chose the round-spoke design Drop center rim approved 10/14/32 by the Tire and Rim Association (TRA) TRA nomenclature Example: x 16 rim for x 16 tire is inside distance from bead to bead E defines the rim profile 16 is the diameter bead to bead distance15 wheel and Rim Development F&H made Wheels for many brands Some Wheels for other Tractors will fit on JD Example: GP spoke rear for rubber16 Spoke Wheels for RubberAC1070 GPlate 32 end F&H wheel 12 4 x 3/4 spokes Casting # HC3 Rim Tire x 24 Similar Wheels HC26 AIHC HC46 AAC17 Comparison of HC3, HC26A, and HC46A Front side of hubsHC 3 JD-GPHC 26A F-20HC 46A WC-AC18 Comparison of HC3, HC26A, and HC46A Rear of WheelsHC 3 JD-GPHC 26A F-20HC 46A AC-WCNote difference in slope19 wheel and Rim Development F&H made Wheels for many brands Hub casting # defines the center hub only!

6 !! HC177 hub for the 10 spline (unstyled) B x 36 rubber tire x 28 rubber tire Flat spoke skeleton wheel20 Skeleton WheelAB363 B, BN, BW1000 12011(?) F&H wheel , casting # HC177 10 1 1/2 x 7/16 spokes 48 x 1 15/16 wheel Lugs are evenly spaced Cast-in hub Clamp B25R c/n also RS rubber wheel21 Spoke Wheels for RubberAB375 B, BN, BW1000 59999 F&H round spoke wheel 10-spline cast-in hub Clamp B25R Casting # HC177 Same as for skeleton 20 10 x 3/4 spokes Hub differences Smooth inside hub Added strength ribs (wave hub)22 Spoke Wheels for Rubber F&H HC177 hub rim x28 tire Has tire Rare wheel Not in parts lists23 Compare Round Spoke and Skeleton HubsHC177 Skeleton wheel HubHC177 Round Spoke Rubber Hub24 wheel and Rim Development F&H made Wheels for many brands Holy Grail list showing what hub casting numbers fit what brand tractor probably doesn t exist What would you get if you ordered a HC177?

7 List of F&H part numbers and applications does exist25F&H p/n for Model A Round Spoke Wheels26 Tractor Rubber Tire History Initial development Goodyear 1925 Hessel Rhorda, Rock Valley IA Converted truck tires to Tractors 1931 working with Florida citrus farmers Adopting airplane tires FIN 10/13/32 carried first tire announcement All Weather tread 1937 Sure Grip Tire Announced in FIN 8/12/37 1938 Announcement of Wide Base rim/tire 1948 Super Sure Grip used until 60 s27 Early Goodyear Tractor TiresFIN 10/13-32 adSure Grip 8/12/3728 Tractor Tire History Initial development Firestone 1931 testing airplane tires on Tractors FIN 10/13/32 carried first tire announcement Chevron tread 1933 racing AC Tractors to sell tires 1935 Ground Grip tread 1937 deeper Ground Grip tread 1938 Wide Base Ground Grip 1946 Champion Ground Grip 1949

8 Open Center Grip till 60 s29 Firestone Tractor Tire EvolutionChevron 19321935 Ground Grip1937 Ground Grip1938 wide base Ground Grip1946 Champion Ground GripFollowed by the 45 degree Champion Ground Grip in 12/4930 Rubber Tires available for john Deere in 1932 Firestone Brochure dated November 193231 Conventional and Wide-Base rims and tires Full Drop Center rims had a profile designed for a tire shape which was rounded across the tread. In late 1938 Goodyear takes credit for introduction of the wide base rim and tire Due to the rim and tire design, more of the tread was in contact with the ground Original tires and rims then became known as conventional tires and rims32 Conventional and Wide-Base rims and tires WB tires had a flatter profile, so to maintain the axle-ground clearance, a larger diameter WB tire was used 36 conventional tire replaced by a 38 WB 38 conventional tires did not exist Comparisons.

9 Handout contains information on conversion between conventional and WB tires and rims Rim profiles show why WB tires do not fit conventional rimsHandouts from the Gathering of the Green workshops are among theinformation included on the CD available through this web Base and Conventional Rim ProfilesA: tire rimA = , C = Replace with new designed for W8-36 rimA = , C = Conventional Rim ProfileWide-Base Rim Profile34 Wide Base Tires and Deere Goodyear approached Deere Nov 1938 New Wide-Base tire program Scrap existing line of rims and tires Conventional rims and tires from cars and trucks Substitute line developed for Tractors 40 companies met in February 1939 Tractor, rim, tire companies Lots of concerns, lots of testing Mid summer 1939 Deere satisfied Applied new tires to H Wide Base tires on 1940 models A, B and H35 Wide Base Tires and Deere October 1940 WB tires on.

10 ANH, AWH used 11-, 12-38 A2366R cast wheel replaced HC426A offset spoke BNH, BWH used 11-38 B1545R cast wheel replaced HC419A offset spoke March 1941 13-, 14-30 WB tires on D Replaced , tires Required new cast wheel , not furnished on spoke (by Deere )36 Wide Base Tires and Deere August 1941 WB tires on AR, BR, and G AR with cast Wheels 11-, 12-26 tires Replace conventional rim with 10 wide base rim BR with cast Wheels 10-28 tire and 9 wide base rim 11-26 tire and 10 wide base rim G with cast Wheels 11-, 12-38 tires, same Wheels new rims WB tires not furnished on spoke Wheels Conversion from Conventional to Wide Base tires started mid 1939, complete by late 194137 Implications of Conversion to Wide Base Tires Pressed steel Wheels and cast Wheels with demountable rims became norm Spoke Wheels still option for many models End of many interesting Wheels Deere never furnished spoke wheel with wide-base rim Available aftermarket from F&H Effects of WW-II After May 1942 no equipment sold on rubber Ban lasted about a year Large stock of WB tires, few Conventional Hastened conversion to WB tires Conventional tire market strong enough to ensure replacement spoke wheels38 Rear wheel Casting and Stamping Information General rule is all F&H Wheels built for JD had hub casting numbers (exceptions exist)